Comments on: Squeak in Extremadura http://news.squeak.org/2006/11/17/squeak-in-extremadura/ What's new in the world of Squeak Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:57:28 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Philip Trauring http://news.squeak.org/2006/11/17/squeak-in-extremadura/#comment-297 Philip Trauring Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:11:13 +0000 http://weeklysqueak.wordpress.com/2006/11/17/squeak-in-extremadura/#comment-297 Ironically Anthony, both Hypercard and Squeak were created by the same company - Apple. Ironically Anthony, both Hypercard and Squeak were created by the same company – Apple.

]]> By: Peter Kerr http://news.squeak.org/2006/11/17/squeak-in-extremadura/#comment-295 Peter Kerr Sun, 19 Nov 2006 23:13:17 +0000 http://weeklysqueak.wordpress.com/2006/11/17/squeak-in-extremadura/#comment-295 "souped-up Hypercard"? Well, yes, given that HyperTalk was a watered down dialect of SmallTalk. Modern drag & drop gui means no typing of arcane commands. We need a generation of students free to create, not confined to computer programming. But: [Squeak allows] students to actively participate in their learning, not just accept imposed knowledge... and: From a networked folder of ... scanned images the students choose... Do I see an oxymoron? Why weren't they out taking their own pictures? Using the teacher's camera phone if need be? Maybe the format of this video didn't allow us to see all that was happening, but if Squeak is to have value it must be presented as more than just a souped-up cut&paste tool. “souped-up Hypercard”? Well, yes, given that HyperTalk was a watered down dialect of SmallTalk. Modern drag & drop gui means no typing of arcane commands. We need a generation of students free to create, not confined to computer programming.

But: [Squeak allows] students to actively participate in
their learning, not just accept imposed knowledge…

and: From a networked folder of … scanned images
the students choose…

Do I see an oxymoron? Why weren’t they out taking their own pictures? Using the teacher’s camera phone if need be? Maybe the format of this video didn’t allow us to see all that was happening, but if Squeak is to have value it must be presented as more than just a souped-up cut&paste tool.

]]> By: Matthew Miller http://news.squeak.org/2006/11/17/squeak-in-extremadura/#comment-294 Matthew Miller Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:02:32 +0000 http://weeklysqueak.wordpress.com/2006/11/17/squeak-in-extremadura/#comment-294 Anonymous -- sure. Hypercard was a great learning tool. Anonymous — sure. Hypercard was a great learning tool.

]]> By: Anthony McNamara http://news.squeak.org/2006/11/17/squeak-in-extremadura/#comment-293 Anthony McNamara Sun, 19 Nov 2006 14:02:36 +0000 http://weeklysqueak.wordpress.com/2006/11/17/squeak-in-extremadura/#comment-293 Let us say it is the same. Now, if Hypercard was good, where is it? Did it's proprietary owners decide to stop releasing it? I think they did. But that cannot happen with Squeak. If Squeak's owners decide to stop releasing it, anybody else can pick up the source code and further develop it, and make it avaialable again. So useful software which is open source will disappear only when nobody can find it useful, and not when proprietary software owners decide to make their software disappear. Secondly, with the open source, "Anonymous" can edit the code to take out the "Squeak" noise. Try that with Hypercard. Let us say it is the same. Now, if Hypercard was good, where is it? Did it’s proprietary owners decide to stop releasing it? I think they did. But that cannot happen with Squeak. If Squeak’s owners decide to stop releasing it, anybody else can pick up the source code and further develop it, and make it avaialable again. So useful software which is open source will disappear only when nobody can find it useful, and not when proprietary software owners decide to make their software disappear.
Secondly, with the open source, “Anonymous” can edit the code to take out the “Squeak” noise. Try that with Hypercard.

]]> By: Anonymous http://news.squeak.org/2006/11/17/squeak-in-extremadura/#comment-292 Anonymous Sat, 18 Nov 2006 22:51:32 +0000 http://weeklysqueak.wordpress.com/2006/11/17/squeak-in-extremadura/#comment-292 Doesn't this just sound like some somewhat souped-up HyperCard, which I used on a Mac some 10 years ago, and was available long before then? And it didn't have annoying "Squeak" noises. Well, maybe it did, I can't remember :) I know it didn't have the corny music... Doesn’t this just sound like some somewhat souped-up HyperCard, which I used on a Mac some 10 years ago, and was available long before then?

And it didn’t have annoying “Squeak” noises. Well, maybe it did, I can’t remember :) I know it didn’t have the corny music…

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